[Mircea Pteancu]

Aleluia fratilor ,am trait sa o aud si pe asta !Un produs romanesc ,este vorba de binoclul militar IOR 7X40 BGA,apreciat de un cunoscator ca fiind clar mai bun decat un binoclu Zeiss echivalent,si inca unul EDF.Eu folosesc de vreo 15 ani doua oculare Erfle f=20mm/60grade ,provenind de la acest binoclu.Am primit doar lentilele,un set (fabricat IOR) de la Emil Kolossy,celalalt (fabricat IOT) de la Gavril Beches,montura am proiectat-o eu dupa o schema primita tot de la Emil, si ,cu exceptia tentei de culoare galbena in exces ,sunt fff multumit.Se mai fabrica binoclul respectiv ?Mircea

Archives of an email list on the history of binoculars.
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Lists 151-200
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Binocular List #151: 26 January 2001
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Subject: Buying binoculars in Europe
From: Hans-Peter.Lammerich@___ne.de
After some research I just ordered a brand new Docter 7x40 B/GA from a small Bavarian dealer. He offered a nice discount to get rid of his stock and I absolutely could not resist. I understand this is the demilitarised version of the Zeiss/Jena EDF 7x40 (roof prism) which again is the successor of the DF 7x40 (porro prism). Neither Docter nor Zeiss/Jena claimed to have put phase corrected roof prisms in their 7x40 B/GA or EDF 7x40. I however assume that later, EDF roof prism, should be better in this case. And comments on other lists were very positive. I phoned Docter in Eisfeld and the confirmed that they still make them! Soon they will even offer a 10x42 version. Docter binos are not present in many German shops and even their website is miserable. Camera shops typically have Leica and cheap Japanese stuff. Opticians have Zeiss, Steiner and cheap Japanese stuff with German brand names.
The EDF 7x40 is quite common on ebay, but I find the final prices a little bit steep, given the fact that you may get heavily used military surplus without warranty. And I am not that keen on reticles, laser filters or radioactive illumination.
Briefly I considered a Steiner 7x50, but I have difficulties to track down the different quality levels of coating and sealing, in particular for used gear and with different names for US and German markets. From the subjective built quality I consider them as the binocular equivalent to "Swatch" wrist wratches, excellent performance and value for money if brand new, but sort of unrepairable.
Furthermore I thought about the Romanian IOR binos. I hoever could not locate an importer for Germany. US mailorder firms offer them for very decent prices, but with shipping to Germany and VAT it would not have been worth the hassle. Next month I will make a business trip to Bucharest and see whether I can locate them over there. Hans-Peter
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Subject: Romanian IOR
From: Fan Tao <fantao@___et.att.net>
Regarding the Romanian IOR military style binoculars, they have excellent build quality, similar to the Zeiss Jena 7x40DF(NVA). However, in a direct comparison of the IOR 7x40 vs. the Zeiss Jena DF, I prefer the Zeiss. The field of view and eye relief are about the same (about 60 degrees apparent and 20mm). The image through the IOR is nocticeably yellow whereas the Zeiss is close to neutral. Furthermore, the IOR has (to me) annoying field curvature, that is, the edge of field needs to be refocused to make it clear. The Zeiss also has some field curvature and astigmatism on the field edge but it does not seem as bad. The IOR 10x50 is similar in performance to the IOR 7x40 (plus it is very heavy to hand hold). I do not mean to make the IOR's sound bad, other than the problems mentioned, they are very fine binoculars. Fan Tao
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Binocular List #153: 02 / 02 / 01
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Subject: Canadian binoculars
From: Peter Abrahams
I put together as much as I could find on Canadian binoculars: REL and ELCAN
http://home.europa.com/~telscope/canada.txt
Thanks to Steve Harris, Deutsche Optik, and others, for contributing text. We need more information on this subject.
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Subject: Docter / IOR
From: Thomas Press <tpress@___om>
Regarding the recent Binocular List references to the Docter (aka Zeiss/Jena) EDF 7 x 40 and IOR 7 x 40 BGA, I have owned both and found the IOR (at least in my samples) to be the far superior glass, with a wonderfully open and crisp view, and superb build quality. As best as I can tell, the EDF, as a roof prism binocular, is probably better able to hold its collimation in the face of rough treatment, but the view through the EDF was noticeably less sharp, with a much narrower field of view and considerably less depth of field. Both glasses have a yellow tint, although the EDF tint is dramatically more pronounced. Over time, I found the EDF yellow images increasingly annoying, and useful only for moonlight use. Hopefully, Docter Optik has also made some progress on the quality control front as, in my experience, many of the late 80's Zeiss Jena binoculars, both roof and porro, were pretty shoddily built. Regards, Tom
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Here is the internet link for IOR: http://www.starnets.ro/ior/iore.htm Fan Tao
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[horatius]

Am auzit si eu ca binoclurile IOR ar fi bune, chiar daca arata cam urat in ceea ce priveste designul exterior.

[Doru Dragan]

Am studiat si eu lista de discutii. Foarte instructiv-educativa. Niste hobisti care discuta la nesfarsit fara sa para ca obosesc despre niste binocluri. Merita pierdut putin timpul pentru a vedea ce inseamna hobby si cat timp (si bani) investesc unii. In particular am fost placut surprins si eu ca cineva a bagat macar in seama un binoclu IOR. La o citire atenta insa se observa ca lotul din 1996 este mai bun decat cel din 1997. Ca atare diferentele minore dintre cel IOR, ZEISS si cel rusesc se pare ca se datoreaza dificultatilor producatorilor de a implementa un sistem al calitatii si a mentine astfel aceeasi calitate a produsului. De altfel binoclurile despre care se discuta sunt "military grade" si cand se discuta despre cele civile ... calitatea scade.

[Serban]

http://www.ior.ro/produse/index.php?kCtg=1&ID=10#

hmm..... seamana a ceva rusesc ce am mai vazut, si se si "lauda" ca rusii cu intervalul de -40...+50'C de temperatura de functionare.... oare or fi produse in Rusia si branduite cu IOR?

[zoth]

[Serban]

era o gluma mi-a placut faza cu "corespondent in uratenie" =))

l.e.: cam cat ar costa acel binoclu 10x50 din linkul meu?

[Doru Dragan]

Din cate am inteles eu din discutiile celor de pe lista cu pricina (merita sa cititi, macar un pic, sa vedeti cu adevarat niste oameni pasionati de subiect) binoclurile isi au originea in fostul tratat de la Varsovia. Sunt binocluri militare care au fost proiectate ca atare existand doar mici variatii (prismele poro, de ex.). Executia lor s-a facut evident in fabricile respective (germane, romanesti, rusesti) dar e destul de greu de spus cine a facut proiectul sau daca nu cumva exista parti componente comune (obiectiv sau carcasa etc.).

[Serban]

binoclul IOR acela, precum si baigish 10x42 postat de dvs, par a avea focalizare individuala... ar fi tentant

[Mircea Pteancu]

Vin cu o sugestie,si anume, ar fi bine sa obtinem o lista de preturi pentru binoclurile IOR.Incearca cineva ?Precum Serban ,si eu mor de curiozitate sa aflu ''how much is the doggy in the window''.Oare de ce nici una din firmele de comert aparute la noi , nu ofera binocluri IOR ?Ar fi oare cineva interesat sa le distribuie?Eu de la servici nu pot sa obtin preturile,am acces doar la Skype si Internet,seara cand ajung acasa e prea tarziu,la IOR becurile sunt stinse demult.Mircea

[dan.smarandoi]

Salut,ce pot eu sa spun in legatura cu binoclurile IOR....intradevar sunt bune dar si preturile sunt exagerat de mari,din cate am inteles eu nici nu cred ca se mai fabrica,eu am intrebat la ei pretul la 10x50 si era in jur de 14 milioane in 2007.Ca sa aveti o ideie aruncati o privire aici:

http://www.usaoptics.net/iorvaldata1.html

[Serban]

#$%#)$*#)&#@)*#_@%(_#@( 14 milioane?

clar... ramanem la baigish pe viitor....

dar auzi... americanii zic ca is cele mai bune din lume suntem si noi buni la ceva

[Doru Dragan]

Da despre asta ce ziceti:
http://www.valdada.com/catalog/2dc81f54-6d...04543.aspx
Preturi in lei! Pare a fi o afacere tipica a militarilor ramasi pe drumuri din tarile in curs de conversie la democratie Tot felul de adrese absconse.
Aici se poate vedea ceea ce banuiam deja:
http://www.valdada.com/catalog/2dc81f54-6d...04543.aspx
http://www.impactguns.com/store/ior_binoc_reticle.html
Sticla Schott, lentile Zeiss, asamblat in Romania

[dan.smarandoi]

Toate bune si frumoase cu preturile in lei,doar ca in realitate sunt tot in dolari,cred ca este in functie de ce browser de navigatie folosesti sau cum este setat,de exemplu cand am gasit linkul acesta,la mine apareau preturile in lei,iar la Zircon in dolari si amandoi foloseam IE7.Dupa ce am mai rugat cativa prieteni sa intre la adresa respectiva,ne-am lamurit ca de fapt sunt in dolari.Ma refer la acest link:

http://www.valdada.com/catalog/2dc81f54-6d...04543.aspx

[zoth]

intradevar la mine apar toate aceste linkuri cu preturile in dolari.
am verificat si la servici si e la fel.
o ciudatenie pe care nu mi-o explic....

in legatura cu afirmatia:

[Serban]

si merita cat 5-6 binocluri chinezesti cu pretentie? IOR vs baigish/kronus, cine castiga?